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Bitcoin's total market cap is nowhere close to any other asset's market cap. That's true that even institions started to invest in bitcoin with intentions of protecting their investments against fiat currencies influation rates, however what or who provides guarantee for the bitcoin? I have serious doubts about this issue since the governments are starting to launch their own digital currencies, as well.

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Cryptocurrency is a decentralized currency.  And the bank is the custodian of centralized currency.  However, you can deposit Fiat money in the bank and by investing there you will get very low interest.  However, it is safe to keep money in the bank.  And if you invest in the crypto world, you will get good profit.  For which you have to choose an exchange site which is a dangerous one.  However, crypto world and bank are two mediums.  However, the demand in the crypto world will increase a lot

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My friend that encryption at the moment is currently rejected in many major countries, because it harms their interests, and harms banks, they can become money of the future and banks are completely closed due to cryptocurrencies and digital currencies. 

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I am really impressed from your post and your question that who is there which controls the crypto ? Many of the people are really confused and they are thinking about it and they are near to earn lots of money but they are consious about the reality of crypto and online trading currencies so this forum should guide them and then they will invest lots of money at this forum

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I for one want to keep my investment funds in bitcoin and stable coin, I don't confide in banks, they can fall flat, they have shrouded the executives expenses and there is no protection, the crypto will win this war,

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Banks and bitcoin in my opinion bitcoin will always win, because the currency of bitcoin cannot be governed by the government, but bitcoin must also be vigilant with its value, if it is too large then the government will switch from banks to bitcoin which causes its value to fall.

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Still the bank will win, because of what? because the bank is clear who is regulating, who is handling, who is providing, so as a layman of bitcoin, people will prefer banks that were there before bitcoin

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The world is becoming more and more digital and BTC is part of this new technology where the machines control our transactions, with frankness and honestness against the human being is always guided by his feelings and no one is perfect war now and for save the job positions of bankers and those who hang out in the stock market this is my point of view

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1 minute ago, Jovic said:

To me, I think Bank will win over Bitcoin, because many people believe in something they can see and also feel, many people will prefer to store their money in banks than to store as Bitcoin because in banks they can save their money by themselves, and if the money get lost, the bank will be held responsible, but if I could remember, 1500 Bitcoin were stolen one certain time and what was the action taken after that?

To be honest we can't compare centralized and decentralized system, banks have centralized systems and they have been controlled by some one or a government, but bitcoin is not controlled by anyone, and yeah like you said most person in the world like to use banks even if they don't have profit and that's because of knowledges they have,

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Banks will not withstand much under all this effort from the world of dollar currencies Oh, it is normal for this to happen, and I expect that each bank will have its own digital currency, and this will be a very wonderful thing.

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There is going to a Huge competency between them so I think in the future crypto world will always be at lead, cos more investors are trooping in rapidly.

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The traditional economic system of the world surely have some flaws in it. and cryptocurrencies have all the solutions of the problems associated with the traditional financial system of the world. Banks should adopt cryptocurrency to solve there older problems.

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Bitcoin cannot replace banks, that is a nonsense of currency fanatics, a bank complies with certain operations that bitcoin cannot process, however in the long term bitcoin will simply surpass banks in capitalization becoming the largest value on the market, it will simply be a tie.

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On 10/15/2019 at 1:21 PM, xBDT Script said:

Well isn't it the exact reason bitcoin should raise and last? The economy should not have a central controlling board. I mean why would a group of people will control the wealth of the world. Print out of the thin air? The idea of bitcoin born from decentralization and it means eliminate the centralized power.

Obviously then banks and those who are authorized to print money is not going to like it but I do not think they can not stop it either. They can create laws and stuffs but you think when a culture builds up and become strong then it's really possible to stop them? There will be a revolution soon. And crypto will win in this war.

We are building out army as we move.

In crypto vs bank i will prefer most is bank. In bank your money is safe. No one can steal your money. But in crypto there are alot of hackers and spammers who will try to steal your money. Sometimes they succeed. So bank is the safest option. So it depends on you . But if you use extra safety you can use crypto. You can earn more profit in crypto rather than bank. 

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I think the government will take some decisions and cryptocurrency will be altered by the banks only and using the cryptocurrency individually would be banned in all the countries in future

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I think it is the other way round, there will be collaboration between banks and Crypto and it will be very profitable to Banks. It is true that people do not have trust in Banks like they used to be in the past, but the banks will not miss the chance of profiting from crypto customers. And I think that there will be whole departments in banks especially dedicated to crypto customers.

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With the advent of Defi, banks felt threatened. Because they realized that Defi could do exactly what banks were doing so far and even better than them. In my opinion, cryptocurrencies are the future of financial systems in the world and No one can stop them. According to cryptocurrency experts, they are a kind of shift paradigm.

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It is true that saving in a bank is very insecure because at times we can lose money there when the bank is no longer able to maintain its balance during a crisis. Currently people have started to be interested in Bitcoin because it is proven to be resistant to crisis, Many people think that Bitcoin will end and it turns out that this statement is not proven, instead the price of bitcoin continues to rise and shows its resilience. Between the bank war and Bitcoin, of course the one who will win is Bitcoin.

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In my opinion, eventually the world's current economic system will collapse. It all started when the united states goverment decided to cut the ties of dollars to gold. now they keep printing dollars continiously, and the influation is spreading at insane levels. In the close future the world will stop accepting dollars as the reserve money of the world. Then what, of course gold and bitcoin is a viable option for world reserve money as their supply is limited. It will be the great reset of the world's financial system I think.   

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the world is becoming more and more digital and BTC is part of this new technology where our transactions is controlled through blockchain, this is so in other to make thing easy by doing transactoin through convince and other reason

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Crypto is the chance of transfer the money from one place to another in blockchain and the bank is the fiscal way and also have the technology to move one to another but if the banks want to struggle in the future then they also accept the bitcoin.

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FIAT cash is vital, I accept that banks and government ought not assault Bitcoin or crypto, on the grounds that it is a war they will always lose, they dread since they live off the obligation it causes in individuals, it is their method of controlling, with Bitcoin and Crypto would presently don't exist control.

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Apart from payment protocols, this technology has many advantages for banks and other financial institutions. Although doubts about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies have increased, there is a lot of talk that the main factor of the banking sector in the 21st century is blockchain technology. After this uncertain and turbulent process, banks will have to be reshaped according to the needs of individuals and institutions.

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Maybe there is? I mean we don't really know, but I think there is. Well the reason that I thought of it is because SEC is now probing cryptocurrencies and they are starting with Ripples. SEC already sued Ripples and it's value is really going down for a while now.

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If you have the experience of making transactions through crypto currencies,.I don't think one will ever like to make payment for purchases using cash system again it's suffering, since it involves third person, bit in Crypto world it's simple and fast with less charges. It's also profitable that fiat currency

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According to Rekt Capital, the market is already on the verge of an altcoin rally, the peak of which is expected in July.   Experts expect significant capital inflows after the listing of ETH-ETFs and believe that billions of dollars will be invested in derivatives in the first week after trading starts. Analysts from QCP Capital believe that the altcoin rate in the short term can rise to $4,000 and exceed $5,000 by the end of the year.   An even bolder forecast is given by Standard Chartered Bank economists. They expect capital inflows into such funds in the first year to range from $15 to $45 billion (2-9 million ETH). In this case, the fund's demand will lead to the asset's rate rising to $8,000 at a bitcoin rate of $150,000. Moreover, if market dynamics are positive, by 2025, the price of Ethereum will reach $14,000, and bitcoin's rate will increase to $200,000.   As of the evening of Friday, 24 May, BTC/USD is trading at $69,900, and ETH/USD at $3,735. The absence of an immediate pump and some drawdown of this pair on 23-24 May can be explained by the fact that everyone who wanted to has already managed to buy ethereums ahead of the SEC's historic decision. The total cryptocurrency market capitalization is $2.55 trillion ($2.42 trillion a week ago). The Bitcoin Fear & Greed Index (Crypto Fear & Greed Index) has not changed and remains in the Greed zone at 74 points.   And in conclusion of the review, forecasts from Artificial Intelligence. The latest version of GPT-4o from OpenAI believes that the price of bitcoin on 1 August 2024 will be in the range of $76,348 to $89,108 "considering current market factors and historical trends." GPT-4o's competitor, the anthropic AI model Claude 3 Opus, has formed an even more optimistic vision, designating the range between $105,072 and $167,808 by the indicated date. 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    • Полиция Южной Кореи раскрыла крупную группу криптомошенников   Южнокорейские полицейские арестовали 19 человек, которые выступали участниками мошеннической группы, действующей в социальных сетях. По данным властей, задержанные управляли открытым чатом, через который обманули сотни криптовалютных инвесторов.   Изначально мошенники предлагали пользователям чата законные способы вложений в цифровые активы, используя их некоторые инвесторы даже смогли получить прибыль. Такие действия преступников должны были усыпить бдительность, чтобы в дальнейшем люди без раздумий инвестировали в незарегистрированные криптовалюты. Когда инвесторы поняли, что их обманули, они потребовали вернуть деньги, но мошенники к тому времени уже заблокировали доступ к чату.   В результате расследования правоохранители выяснили, что в сети мошенников попали 308 человек, которые в общей сложности лишились примерно $19 млн.   По данным полицейского управления Южной Кореи, ещё как минимум шесть преступников находятся на свободе, скрываясь в других странах. Интерпол уже получил «красные уведомления», предписывающие арестовать их. Все участники мошеннического чата были завербованы главарём, чьё имя пока не раскрывается. Он помогал им незаконно въезжать в страну, а затем забирал у этих людей паспорта и мобильные телефоны, чтобы принудить к сотрудничеству. Источник - https://ru.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/article-2425428
    • Даа, лучше поздно, чем никогда. Все таки будем вернуть свои ошибки, когда альты тоже будут расти. Но биткоин пока уверенно себя ведёт, я уверен что до конца года дойдет хотя бы до 90к. Эти альты меня так пугали, что с очень осторожностью покупаю их. 
    • Добрый вечер, уважаемые пользователи! Мы работаем ежедневно с 10:00 до 22:00 (МСК)  - Дорогие друзья, напоминаем Вам про #Акцию, дарим бесплатные AML проверки, для этого нужно обратиться в Telegram с сообщением "бесплатная AML проверка". Желаем Всем тем, кто работает - прибыльного и продуктивного дня. А тем, кто не работает - хороших выходных.
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