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it is a wrong thinking. You can't lose yours money with Long holding if you love take some risk you should choose the short activities.

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Only a trader can say this. I'll explain why he thinks so. For a trader, trading cryptocurrencies is earnings, coins should not lie somewhere in the wallet and wait when  the price should rise to the sky. He always has cryptocurrency in trade. Another thing is if you are a simple user and want to protect yourself from possible financial losses and are confident in the stability of the bitcoin cryptocurrency, you can buy it (just not at the peak of its value) and let it lie.


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What!! Why would anyone think that . I myself am a long term holder and I see it's completely logical . We all can agree that bitcoin has a great potential and will increase in future but also crypto's like ETH , DOGE , TRX , DASH etc. which have been on the top of crypto charts for years now have good potential . See, it depends how good of a trader you are . Good long-term traders not want to invest in a coin and they mostly do it at their lowest price points so that they are generally not in any loss And are just waiting for their investment to increase to a point they are happy selling it on. also the traders that are doing long-term training and are holding on their losses , I can understand their point of view too.  sometimes you just know That The market is in a bit of slump and you know once the market covers your investments would be at their normal or even better prises then what you invested in and hence can make profits from losses.

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I see that with long-term holdings, it is more vulnerable to risk. The currency could depreciate and expire in the long run.

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All capital investment is risk, everything you buy is for investment, be it currencies or an object or real estate is risk, you capitalize, you invest, you decide. It's like you and nobody else

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It is the real big thing if you are  a newbie in crypto, just buy a strong coin when its price was down and weit for that project will be developed. I recommend ethereum and iota.. just start buying every time you can and wait a couple of years

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Holding for long in your wallet is making your crypto susceptible to scams. And also if market value of your coin of interest falls duringbyour holding it gives you loss

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There are people who do not like to work in that way because they seek immediate results, however I think it is for each trader, there are some who handle themselves in the daily market, and others who make their investment and absolute bet in a single movement.

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Algunos traders de criptomonedas piensan que esto es malo porque quieren operar en tiempo real, es decir, no tener nada reteniendo, lo cual es malo en el mercado en el que estamos mucho peor, ya que retener en este mercado sería ideal para las criptomonedas. Holding es un arte de visualizar criptomonedas a largo plazo 1 año 6 meses o incluso 3 a 5 años después de saber que van a subir mucho de precio y genera una muy buena rentabilidad a través de ello.

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I think they are people who do not plan for the future and do not know all the good that saving a BTC or Ether can bring them in the long term, one of those things is the increase in its value, which in the end ends up being like a long-term savings time, definitely, I think I will save in cryptocurrencies. 

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It all depends on your strategy, I don't think it's a bad option. In my case I like to operate in the short term and I am always with my money in the bolzillo. But I do not rule out at some point doing long-term operations!

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On 10/28/2019 at 12:55 AM, saintelincon said:

I saw some people saying that long term holders are dumb because they keep holding on the losses and this is a stupid meme. But i don't agree with that, since we believe btc will grow even more. What do you think?

It depends on the situation of each one, some operate in the short term and others in the long term, that varies a lot from what the person requires, personally I think that long-term btc is a very good investment

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On 10/28/2019 at 11:43 PM, Caporetto said:

Holding BTC longterm is a must, even as a gamble, you have to hold some BTC , the problem is some people think they missed the train on BTC and just go all in on altcoins thinking they find the "new BTC" and they HODL till death those bags  and the alts keep going down like ICX, DRGN,XVG

I completely agree that everyone who are working with cryptocurrencies should hold some bitcoin and ethereum for a long time. It doesn't matter are you a trader or a long term player, you should to have some part of this cryptocurrencies that you will not touch for many years because on my opinion they have great potential to grow with time (just as it was before).

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There are some currencies that do not last for a long time and are affected by the pump and dump, and for this you should always monitor the market and not keep the currency for a long time. If you see its price increased, then sell it.

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Yes, stocks are quite risky even in the long run. The old consensus wisdom that stocks are less risky (or even low risk) in the long run is somewhat deceptive since uncertainty about mean returns over your future horizon can offset the reduction in risk due to mean reversion. People tend to only consider the second factor and automatically believe that as long as you have a "long" horizon that holding stocks becomes less risky. (Btw you can't rely solely on historical calculations since they don't capture the first factor.)

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The key of holding is to hold the right coins. If the coins are worthless now they will be worthless in a year or two as well. Everybody should pick very careful the coins that is investing to.

 

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Hodling made most of my profits in 2017

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It also made most of my loses during 2018-2020

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So hodling is good and bad at the same time

In long-term it's great (10 years+)

But if u use many u'd like to be able to use

It's not always possible to take them (cause fixing loses is not nice))

 

So it's OK if

- you u put in the sum you don't need to touch

- understand that you should hold long-term

- understand that there cycles ( time when to buy and time to sell)

- also I should know what price will u sell 

 

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With holding you anticipating that the price will go up forever (until you sell). That can be to late, when the price drops fast and doesn't return to its old value.

With trading you have the chance that you are trading with your emotions instead of your wisdom and technical analysis.

So both have its pros and cons

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I prefer short-term trading. as for me it is more profitable and also it is less risky. Although on the other hand short-term trading takes more time, but allows you to make money on both falling and rising prices

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Hi good day
MMM, well, people usually like to see short-term results, we evolve to see the imminent dangers, and it is difficult despite education to go against what we learned for generations to survive, my personal opinion is that having long-term investments is a good option, I believe in the power of compound interest.

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I don't think long-term investments are bad, they just have their downsides, just like short-term investments. Long or short has its own benefits as well. The point to all this is that some who, I suppose, prefer to buy cheap and then wait for the btc to rise to sell it, as is well known, although they can extend the term until the btc rises much more but ends up falling. My opinion is that everything is risky and full of possibilities.

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Holding is not advisable when the price is climbing very fast. Holding a bit long during this stage may lead to a regret for ever holding anything. When you realize the price has climbed to its peak, just sell. As simple as that.

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in the long term it is good to have those funds that are good projects and keep them for a long time until we have good results with them 

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It seems to me that doing HOLD is one of the best ways to make a profit, but you have to be careful not to overdo it and withdraw profits on time, I say this from experience, I bought Bitcoin when it was at 2k and when it reached 20k I kept holding it thinking that I was going to keep going up

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On 28.10.2019 at 05:55, saintelincon said:

I saw some people saying that long term holders are dumb because they keep holding on the losses and this is a stupid meme. But i don't agree with that, since we believe btc will grow even more. What do you think?

I think that in any case, bitcoin will rise in price, but when it will be, I cannot know, but I would very much like.😆

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